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RETreasure
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I am pretty sure I've settled on what I'm sending in. I'm waiting on a crit, and then I'll probably sub just to get it off my mind.

You regularly offer for everyone. Can't imagine your short of critters, but I'll take a look if you want one more.

Thanks! I might take you up on that for a final read.

V34: R,HM,R
V35: HM,R,R,HM
V36: R,HM,HM,SHM
V37: HM,SF,SHM,SHM
V38: F, P
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Posted : January 28, 2021 6:51 am
TimE
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Thanks! I might take you up on that for a final read.

Can't imagine I can help a lot, but it wouldn't take me long. Drop me a line if/when you do.

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Posted : January 28, 2021 6:51 pm
babooher
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I recently bought V36 and I already owned 30-33. I had stopped purchasing them because the preponderance of contest pieces were sci-fi. I bought V36 because of the discussions on the board about studying what has been working. My quick take is that aside from urban fantasy, there is no fantasy in v36 from contestants (that's me scanning the first page or two to get setting and such). So is the lesson to write sci-fi? If I insist on fantasy I should write urban fantasy? Am I just an old fuddy-duddy wanting to write something with a top technological level being the same as around 1900? I've submitted sci-fi before (one of my two SMs) and I've submitted something I'd call speculative and gotten my other SM, but all of my fantasy peaks at HMs.

2012 Q4: R
2016 Q3: SHM
2019 Q2: HM, Q3: HM
2020 Q2: HM, Q4: SHM
2021 Q1: HM, Q2: WAITING, Q3: WIP

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Posted : January 31, 2021 2:57 am
Wulf Moon
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I recently bought V36 and I already owned 30-33. I had stopped purchasing them because the preponderance of contest pieces were sci-fi. I bought V36 because of the discussions on the board about studying what has been working. My quick take is that aside from urban fantasy, there is no fantasy in v36 from contestants (that's me scanning the first page or two to get setting and such). So is the lesson to write sci-fi? If I insist on fantasy I should write urban fantasy? Am I just an old fuddy-duddy wanting to write something with a top technological level being the same as around 1900? I've submitted sci-fi before (one of my two SMs) and I've submitted something I'd call speculative and gotten my other SM, but all of my fantasy peaks at HMs.

While it’s good to observe these things, write what you love to write. Your heart goes into what you love to write, and judges, editors, and readers will notice.

That said, this is Writers of the Future. There’s a goodly number of famous SF judges. Since they write what *they* love, it’s fairly obvious they tend to pick stories from the genre they love when judging. It’s worth a thought.

And then go back to writing something so brilliant, no one can ignore or hold their personal bias against its power.

Carry on.

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Posted : January 31, 2021 3:37 am
Dustin Adams
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The majority of the non-winning finalists I've read over the years have been fantasy.

I agree with Wulf: write what you love, or what inspires this quarter, and then on to the next quarter.

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Topic starter Posted : January 31, 2021 4:47 am
Reuben
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I recently bought V36 and I already owned 30-33. I had stopped purchasing them because the preponderance of contest pieces were sci-fi. My quick take is that aside from urban fantasy, there is no fantasy in v36 from contestants (that's me scanning the first page or two to get setting and such)

I have to argue with you there. I've noticed an inclination toward sci-fi, but I think usually at least a third are fantasy, and sometimes more than half. Of the one's you mentioned, I'm most familiar with vol. 33. Looking at it, I see at least half are fantasy. Of those, around half could be called urban fantasy. Okay, I'm not genre expert, so I haven't the faintest idea which is which. but I'm pretty sure The Glowing Heart, and The Fox, The Wolf And The Dove aren't urban fantasy. I haven't read 36, but in thirty-five there are seven fantasy, at least two of which aren't urban at all, I think.

So is the lesson to write sci-fi? If I insist on fantasy I should write urban fantasy? Am I just an old fuddy-duddy wanting to write something with a top technological level being the same as around 1900?

I, too, write mostly fantasy. I think both sides have merit, though. As important as it is to write what you're passionate about, it's also important to break out of your comfort zone. Nothing to do with the WotF. So I think it's a good idea to write both, but only submit the one you like best.

I've submitted sci-fi before (one of my two SMs) and I've submitted something I'd call speculative and gotten my other SM, but all of my fantasy peaks at HMs.

I don't think you should let this discourage you. It could just be luck. But, pure armchair theorizing here: Perhaps what's holding you back is a tendency for infodumps, or perhaps it's that your infodumps aren't crystal clear. In either case, such things are more acceptable in sci-fi than fantasy. So maybe you aren't explaining your magic systems perfectly or your science systems, but science fiction isn't supposed to be totally comprehensible, whereas good fantasy should be.

That's my theory of the day. Who knows, maybe it's true? wotf017

Success is going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm ~ Winston Churchill
V37: R, R, R, HM
V38: SHM

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Posted : January 31, 2021 4:47 am
cabarrett
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I've been listening carefully to interviews where Dave Farland discusses the anthology and he's consistently said he tries to balance the stories between fantasy and science fiction stories. Fantasy does get through so don't hesitate to send it in. To confirm what Dustin said about non-winning finalists, mine was a medieval fantasy.

So that's what I know; here's my guessing. As a collection of mixed speculative fiction, this anthology wants fiction where the speculative idea is the engine of the story, very intimately tied to the emotional response and the theme. (Forgive this horrendous generalization) I think science fiction and slipstream short stories are usually constructed this way, growing around the speculative idea. The best examples in v36 are Catching my Death, Yellow and Pink, and Foundations. Traditional fantasy stories, especially from new writers, are more likely to tell a story that's not clearly thematically about new speculative elements because we're picking up the legacy of a genre that has often used those speculative elements to paint morality tales larger than life. And those fantasy stories are great, but less likely to hit this market. (And of course you can do both, like Matt Dovey's winner winner chicken dinner Squalor and Sympathy.)

Generalization and speculation, but it's what I'm aiming for myself.

Vol36 - HM
Vol 37 - Finalist, HM
Vol38 - Q1 SHM, Q2 pending, Q3 scribbling...

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Posted : February 1, 2021 1:30 am
crlisle
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So that's what I know; here's my guessing. As a collection of mixed speculative fiction, this anthology wants fiction where the speculative idea is the engine of the story, very intimately tied to the emotional response and the theme. (Forgive this horrendous generalization) I think science fiction and slipstream short stories are usually constructed this way, growing around the speculative idea. The best examples in v36 are Catching my Death, Yellow and Pink, and Foundations.

This is very helpful insight GlibWizard!! My 2nd Quarter story in progress is sci fi and you described it beautifully.

2020 Quarters: 1st -- R, 2nd -- HM, 3rd -- HM, 4th -- SHM
2021 Quarters: 1st -- HM, 2nd -- Pending
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Posted : February 1, 2021 1:30 pm
Dustin Adams
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From what I understand, Dave generally chooses one story from each genre as finalists. In my first SF critique he said he had three great "space" stories and had to choose one from the three.

Fantasy is pretty broad, so there's probably one classic sword/magic story as a finalist, but then others that skirt genre can get in. This is where we see stories that are a challenge to instantly label. Some are mentioned above. The Pushbike Legion comes to mind for me.

2x Finalist
2x Semi
5x Silver
9x HM
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Topic starter Posted : February 1, 2021 10:00 pm
Wulf Moon
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From what I understand, Dave generally chooses one story from each genre as finalists. In my first SF critique he said he had three great "space" stories and had to choose one from the three.

Fantasy is pretty broad, so there's probably one classic sword/magic story as a finalist, but then others that skirt genre can get in. This is where we see stories that are a challenge to instantly label. Some are mentioned above. The Pushbike Legion comes to mind for me.

I loved Pushbike Legion, and was shocked it only made published finalist. But that’s the great thing about PFs. It allows Dave to bring back in stories he believes should have passed the four independent judges’ cut. It also gives him the power to balance out the anthology a little more. Happy to see more PFs this year. I know some that get in this way feel inferior to the winners. They should not. This is Dave saying he believes this story is just as good as the others.

Cheers!

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Posted : February 2, 2021 5:04 am
MrH
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In some ways it's even better than winning (I assume), as you aren't lumbered with the stigma of winning. It's more like you did it yourself, without having to win a competition, if you go on writing that is. You are actually asked to be in the book (I assume they are asked?), and that's a bigger thing than them having to put your story in because you won (though the judges didn't have to pick a winning story, but then again they do if a story is the best, assuming again. Actually a non winner may even be the best story, going by comments above, but it may not fit the needs of the current volume). You also don't have to give a speech, jet jabs, buy insurance you shouldn't need, crash and burn in a plane, so on.

I think it depends on one's own perspective.

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Posted : February 2, 2021 7:09 pm
Dustin Adams
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... I know some that get in this way feel inferior to the winners. They should not. This is Dave saying he believes this story is just as good as the others.

Cheers!

To take this a step further, I've read several SF crits where Dave comes right out and says "this is a finalist, but I didn't have room."
A few years ago, when a finalist was removed, a SF took its place - then won.
The top 8-16 stories are all about equal and could win. Maybe even beyond 16...

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Topic starter Posted : February 3, 2021 12:32 am
TimE
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I try to improve my chances and go for the laser and sorcery subgenre

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Posted : February 3, 2021 1:21 am
KD Julicher
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I recently bought V36 and I already owned 30-33. I had stopped purchasing them because the preponderance of contest pieces were sci-fi. I bought V36 because of the discussions on the board about studying what has been working. My quick take is that aside from urban fantasy, there is no fantasy in v36 from contestants (that's me scanning the first page or two to get setting and such). So is the lesson to write sci-fi? If I insist on fantasy I should write urban fantasy? Am I just an old fuddy-duddy wanting to write something with a top technological level being the same as around 1900? I've submitted sci-fi before (one of my two SMs) and I've submitted something I'd call speculative and gotten my other SM, but all of my fantasy peaks at HMs.

It's harder to win with fantasy. Possibly less hard than in the past, due to certain judges passing on and others being added. I took 6 tries to make it from finalist to winner with fantasy and some of those entries were, I think, as good as the eventual winners. But it *is* possible to win with fantasy. My v37 Q1 3rd place winner (mouthful there!) is traditional fantasy.

Write what you love. Make it amazing. What the judges do is out of your hands.

WOTF: HM x 16, SHMx2, SF x 1, F V31 Q3, V32 Q2, V32 Q4, V34 Q3, V36 Q1
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Posted : February 3, 2021 1:54 am
KD Julicher
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Actually a non winner may even be the best story, going by comments above, but it may not fit the needs of the current volume). You also don't have to give a speech, jet jabs, buy insurance you shouldn't need, crash and burn in a plane, so on.
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Just so everyone knows, published finalists get invited to the workshop, presented a trophy at the gala, and are paid pro rates for their stories. It is in every way like being a winner except for the title and the prize money, and it is definitely NOT second class citizenship at WOTF! Being Published Finalist was an incredible experience and I'm so glad we have two this year to join our big party in LA!

WOTF: HM x 16, SHMx2, SF x 1, F V31 Q3, V32 Q2, V32 Q4, V34 Q3, V36 Q1
Baen Fantasy Award Winner 2014
V32 Published Finalist
3rd place V37 Q1!

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Posted : February 3, 2021 1:57 am
pdblake
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I've spent the last few days hacking and slashing something into a story I'm happy with.

I am now in Smile

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Posted : February 4, 2021 1:47 am
MrH
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So, when should I be expecting my WOTF rejection?

Probably closer to the next end date?

Also I think they arrived early last time?

PS oops, yeah, wrong quarter.

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Posted : February 5, 2021 8:27 am
RETreasure
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NNINN (No News Is No News) and EDIT (Every Day Is Thursday). Given the Covid disruptions, there's really no telling.

V34: R,HM,R
V35: HM,R,R,HM
V36: R,HM,HM,SHM
V37: HM,SF,SHM,SHM
V38: F, P
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Posted : February 6, 2021 1:22 am
pdblake
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The email I received after submitting said 3 months for q2 results. I make that around June. So q1 maybe March?

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Posted : February 6, 2021 2:22 am
Wulf Moon
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The email I received after submitting said 3 months for q2 results. I make that around June. So q1 maybe March?

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Posted : February 6, 2021 7:06 am
pdblake
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The email I received after submitting said 3 months for q2 results. I make that around June. So q1 maybe March?

Every plan is perfect until you meet the enemy in battle. wotf001

Yeah wotf019

I did say maybe though.

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Posted : February 6, 2021 7:21 am
Disgruntled Peony
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I'm in!

If you are in difficulties with a book, try the element of surprise: attack it at an hour when it isn't expecting it. ~ H.G. Wells
R, SF, SHM, SHM, SHM, F, R, HM, SHM, R, HM, R, F, SHM, SHM, SHM, SF, SHM, ?, ?
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Posted : February 11, 2021 1:51 pm
MrH
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Good, now look for the security systems power supply. It should be separate from the main power metre, but in a similar steel box. The lock will trigger an alarm if you try to open it. Use the grinder and cut a four inch circular hole in the door, the centre of it being twelve inches down and five from the left hand side. Quick as you can, Lou can't hold the rope forever.

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Posted : February 11, 2021 6:23 pm
RETreasure
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wotf001 wotf009

V34: R,HM,R
V35: HM,R,R,HM
V36: R,HM,HM,SHM
V37: HM,SF,SHM,SHM
V38: F, P
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Posted : February 11, 2021 9:01 pm
TimE
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I'm in!

Well done. I like my concept, struggling to finish it.

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Posted : February 12, 2021 12:57 am
RETreasure
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I know what I'm sending, just waiting to get a crit back and I'll go ahead and sub.

V34: R,HM,R
V35: HM,R,R,HM
V36: R,HM,HM,SHM
V37: HM,SF,SHM,SHM
V38: F, P
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Posted : February 12, 2021 4:57 am
babooher
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Good luck, Disgruntledpeony.

For some reason, after reading your post and then RSchibler's, I panicked and thought the quarter ended this month.

2012 Q4: R
2016 Q3: SHM
2019 Q2: HM, Q3: HM
2020 Q2: HM, Q4: SHM
2021 Q1: HM, Q2: WAITING, Q3: WIP

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Posted : February 13, 2021 4:20 am
Disgruntled Peony
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Good luck, Disgruntledpeony.

For some reason, after reading your post and then RSchibler's, I panicked and thought the quarter ended this month.

Sorry to panic you! The quarter ends on March 31st. I just like to get in early when I can. (I was in during the first week or two of Q1.)

If you are in difficulties with a book, try the element of surprise: attack it at an hour when it isn't expecting it. ~ H.G. Wells
R, SF, SHM, SHM, SHM, F, R, HM, SHM, R, HM, R, F, SHM, SHM, SHM, SF, SHM, ?, ?
Ticknor Tales

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Posted : February 13, 2021 4:48 am
DoctorJest
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One downside to entering early is that I'm finding I have completely lost track of time around the contest now. I keep feeling like I'm running out of time, then realising that I have until the end of June. It's weird. I bought myself time that I really need to focus on other things without distraction, but it's actually a little disorienting--I think I've become a little accustomed to having WotF marching alongside my year as a slow, punctuating beat.

R: 0 / HM: 8 / SHM: 3 / SF: 0 / F: 1
Currently in for Q2.V38 and Q3.V38 / Q4.V38 pending selection (3 possibles, all complete)
Revised SHM ('Ashwright') at PodCastle
Revised HM ('The Winds of the Mind') forthcoming at Abyss and Apex, ~October 2023

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Posted : February 16, 2021 6:45 am
MrH
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You can also fall into to hole of accidentally entering twice. Best to always enter near the end date, then you won't forget. If you enter near the start, by the end of three months, it would feel like you entered the previous quarter. Alternatively always enter at the start of the quarter, or at a set date each time. The point is chopping and changing is not wise and shows a lack of consistency, a habit worth kicking.

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Posted : February 16, 2021 8:37 am
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