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Jason Toth
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@craydimensional Yes, I just double checked and you are a RWC. Hoping the additional details help you on your future submissions Smile

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Posted : May 19, 2022 6:24 pm
Cray Dimensional
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@craydimensional Yes, I just double checked and you are a RWC. Hoping the additional details help you on your future submissions Smile

There are 2 categories that come to mind. Thank you.

 

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V38: R, R, HM, HM
V39: RWC, P

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Posted : May 19, 2022 6:50 pm
chuckt
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I got an email but it seems to be giving me every reason for rejection, including inconsistent ones. Failure to launch, needs more science fiction or fantasy, not sticking the landing, too much violence, too much sex . . ., children's story, devotional or political content.

Is that a glitch or is it really possible to have all these reasons?

What's funny is this story was previously an SHM

Chuck Thompson
6 Rs, 4 HMs, 2 SHMs

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Posted : May 19, 2022 7:08 pm
babooher
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@chuckt As I understand it, the comments are a general list and not exactly story specific. There's a pinned topic here https://www.writersofthefuture.com/forum/the-contest-quarterly-topics-and-other-items/new-results-categories-introducing-dq-and-rejected-with-coments/#post-45339 that covers it.

2012 Q4: R
2016 Q3: SHM
2019 Q2: HM, Q3: HM
2020 Q2: HM, Q4: SHM
2021 Q1: HM, Q2: SF, Q3: SHM, Q4: SHM
2022 Q1: SHM, Q2 Waiting, Q3 WIP

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Posted : May 19, 2022 7:27 pm
chuckt
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@babooher AH! I misunderstood. So it could be any of the general list of comments that was the problem. You have to decide if it was one of them and, if so, which one(s).

Chuck Thompson
6 Rs, 4 HMs, 2 SHMs

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Posted : May 19, 2022 8:16 pm
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Jason Toth
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@chuckt correct. When the judging is being done we added this RWC, Rejected With Comments, to help people that fall into these listed categories to help you isolate why the reject versus just a blanket reject.

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Posted : May 19, 2022 8:48 pm
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RWC for me. The letter was very nice and did make me feel good about my writing effort. It gives me things to think about for sure. Thanks @empressed for taking the time to look it over and offer comments. happysigh typing  

WOTF results:
Vol 31: Q3 R; Vol 33: Q3 R; Vol 35: Q4 R; Vol 37: Q3 R, Q4 R; Vol 38: Q3 R; Vol 39: Q1 RWC, Q2 P, Q3 P
IOTF results:
Vol 39: Q1 HM, Q2 P, Q3 P
According to Winston Churchill, "success is going from failure to failure with enthusiasm"
Somehow I lost my Guthington profile, but it's me. Amy Wethington = Guthington = Physa42. Physa is the freshwater snail I did my graduate and post graduate work on, 🙂

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Posted : May 20, 2022 5:53 am
LDWriter2
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I have another Honorable Mention. Is this the first with the new head editor? 

 

Been reading some of the posts interesting with the new two categories and still having the standard rejection. So the RWC one is slightly better than the standard rejection? Dq is worse. Interesting to see which one I get for Q2. I assuming it will not be dq.  

Working on turning Lead into Gold.
Four HMs From WotF
The latest was Q1'12
HM-quarter 4 Volume 32
One HM for another contest
published in Strange New Worlds Ten.
Another HM http://onthepremises.com/minis/mini_18.html

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Posted : May 20, 2022 11:07 am
LDWriter2
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Congratulations to those who received SHM, Semi-finalists and Finalists 

And to Samuel Parr, Spencer Sekulin and L.H. Davis 

Working on turning Lead into Gold.
Four HMs From WotF
The latest was Q1'12
HM-quarter 4 Volume 32
One HM for another contest
published in Strange New Worlds Ten.
Another HM http://onthepremises.com/minis/mini_18.html

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Posted : May 20, 2022 11:12 am
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Chezecaek
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Not even an RWC. I hope I can find a Dumpster tonight, so I can sleep where I belong. 

Just kidding. Tomorrow's my wedding, and then it's back to work.

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Posted : May 20, 2022 9:19 pm
Jason Toth
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@chezecaek Congratulations on your wedding tomorrow!

Enjoy the day and I am sure your new adventures will spark many future stories ideas.

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Posted : May 21, 2022 12:08 pm
Chezecaek
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Given that I got a straight R with no comments, that doesn't give me a lot to work with, but I can at least speculate a bit. This particular story's biggest weakness is that it has a few pages of relatively unexciting buildup before getting to the meat of the thing. I spent a lot of time tightening that part, adding more interesting details while at the same time making the whole thing shorter, and I hoped it was enough...but perhaps it wasn't. If it was one page of slow buildup, maybe then I'd have gotten an RWC for failure to launch, but it's more than that, so R. Since David gave this same story an HM, my suspicion is that he may have been a bit more lenient on slow beginnings than Jodi. I don't know that for sure, of course, but I like to think that if Jodi got through the start, my characters and their dialogue would've won her over enough for an HM at least. So yeah, if there's any takeaway here, it would be what you've no doubt had hammered into you a thousand plus times by now: Make your beginning not suck.

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Posted : May 22, 2022 6:18 pm
storysinger
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(@chezecaek) I'm inclined to believe rejections never get to Jody. Kary is first reader for a reason, to send the most promising stories to the stack to be read, and the rest to the rejection file.

Today's science fiction is tomorrow's reality-D.R.Sweeney
HM-V32/Q3
HM-V36/Q4
HM-V38/Q1
HM-V38/Q4

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Posted : May 23, 2022 5:34 am
DoctorJest
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I had the impression that the stories that get past Kary aren't at all guaranteed to place higher than R -- I have an old response from Joni somewhere for an older entry that says that I'd cleared the first round, but that doesn't guarantee placing HM or higher -- but if you don't get past Kary, an R (or some flavour thereof) is definitely what you're getting.

DQ: 0 / R: 0 / RWC: 0 / HM: 10 / SHM: 5 / SF: 0 / F: 1
Entered for Q2.V39 and Q3.V39
Last result: SHM for Q1.V39
Revised SHM ('Ashwright') at PodCastle

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Posted : May 23, 2022 9:22 am
Doc Honour
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Posted by: @chezecaek

Given that I got a straight R with no comments, that doesn't give me a lot to work with, but I can at least speculate a bit. This particular story's biggest weakness is that it has a few pages of relatively unexciting buildup 

The WotF workshop, and many other writing blogs, stress how important it is to hook the reader in the first page, even the first paragraph. Most editors won't read past the first page if they haven't seen something to interest them. (For novels, they might give you as much as five pages.) I think a slow build-up in a short story would be a kiss of death.

If you haven't gone through the WotF workshop yet, it is truly a great help.

Write so long as words keep flowing...
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2021 FWA RPLA: Fx2
2022 FWA RPLA: Sub
V38 Q3:HM; Q4:HM
V39 Q1:HM; Q2: Sub; Q3: Sub

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Posted : May 23, 2022 11:54 am
babooher
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Posted by: @ehonour

 

If you haven't gone through the WotF workshop yet, it is truly a great help.

I've been going through the workshop recently. I was feeling like I've kind of plateaued, and I was having trouble with my current WIP. I'm also not too sure on the difference between my HMs, SHMs, and my SF (as in why some work better than others). Well, I'm not done with the workshop, but I think it is already helping (although, I'm still not too sure about HM to SHM). In any event, I second your assessment that the WotF worshop is a great help.

 

Edited to add that Wulfmoon's Super Secrets are a great resource as well.

2012 Q4: R
2016 Q3: SHM
2019 Q2: HM, Q3: HM
2020 Q2: HM, Q4: SHM
2021 Q1: HM, Q2: SF, Q3: SHM, Q4: SHM
2022 Q1: SHM, Q2 Waiting, Q3 WIP

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Posted : May 23, 2022 12:36 pm
Doc Honour
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Posted by: @babooher

I'm also not too sure on the difference between my HMs, SHMs, and my SF (as in why some work better than others).

I think, at the level of HM and above, much of the difference may be personal preference (of the judges and editors). I've not judged fiction, but I was for many years an associate editor for a technical journal. I was amazed how different reviewers could have wildly different scores for the same item.

As an example, I've just finished reading the 2011 Hugo-winning novel(s), a two-book novel that was voted to the highest award in scifi. I was distinctly unimpressed and had to push myself through tedium at times to finish it. Near the end, I was speed-reading instead of enjoying it. Personal preferences. (Oops. Yes, I did just check that the author is NOT one of the WotF judges.)

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2021 FWA RPLA: Fx2
2022 FWA RPLA: Sub
V38 Q3:HM; Q4:HM
V39 Q1:HM; Q2: Sub; Q3: Sub

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Posted : May 23, 2022 1:42 pm
Chezecaek
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Wulf actually didn’t seem to think my beginning was majorly problematic after I followed his suggestions. Someone judging thousands of stories could easily feel differently. Like I said, I can only speculate about what might be a problem for someone else--being that personally, I like my beginning. I maintain it’s justified based on the particular story, but there is that matter of execution. What Wulf told me is, “Dave has specific elements he must see by page five: setting, character, problem, and the hero about to go on the journey.” I did manage to wrangle it all into that space. Just not well enough this time. And of course Dave is no longer judging.

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Posted : May 24, 2022 1:45 pm
Wulf Moon
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@chezecaek Dave had a five page rule he judged the opening scene by, and he wrote about it in one of his daily tips. I’m sure someone will post it after I mention this. Jody will, of course, have her own parameters of what she expects to see to read on, but I don’t think you can go wrong following Dave’s guidelines. Unless Jody posts hers somewhere. Judges do have their own personal tastes. It’s wise to at least be aware of them if you can find out what they are. Dave won so many contests in his early days because he didn’t just write a great story, he also learned everything he could about a judge’s expectations, style, and tastes. I recommend attending any Zoom interview with Jody, taking her workshop she conducts at DragonCon, and reading her stories. You’ll see what she likes, because she’s writing what she likes. 😊

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Posted : May 25, 2022 10:19 am
Todd Jones
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Is there a count of how many entries were submitted for Q1?

This may be the accountant in me that loves statistics, but it would be nice to have a breakdown.

  • 3 winners
  • 5 finalists
  • 10 semi-finalists
  • 128 SHMs
  • 283 HMs
  • and ?

Sorry if I missed this.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right."~ Henry Ford

2021 - Q4 - V38 - HM
2022 - Q1 - V39 - SHM
2022 - Q2 - V39 - Submitted
2022 - Q3 - V39 - Editing
2022 - Q4 - V39 - Weaving Tale

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Posted : June 1, 2022 8:54 am
DoctorJest
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Posted by: @toddjones

Is there a count of how many entries were submitted for Q1?

This may be the accountant in me that loves statistics, but it would be nice to have a breakdown.

  • 3 winners
  • 5 finalists
  • 10 semi-finalists
  • 128 SHMs
  • 283 HMs
  • and ?

Sorry if I missed this.

We can't really be certain, as the Contest doesn't share submission figures (few markets do, really, so they're not any exception there), and with the change in judging and no knowledge of any internal guidance or rules, we can't necessarily judge the percentages for the last Quarter that made HM and above based on our guesses and inferences (historically, though, I believe HM and above was somewhere between five and fifteen percent of entries, depending on the specific quarter--so if your inner statistician wants to play with those numbers, have at it).

What we are certain of, though, is that the Contest receives thousands of submissions every Quarter.

DQ: 0 / R: 0 / RWC: 0 / HM: 10 / SHM: 5 / SF: 0 / F: 1
Entered for Q2.V39 and Q3.V39
Last result: SHM for Q1.V39
Revised SHM ('Ashwright') at PodCastle

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Posted : June 1, 2022 9:15 am
Morgan
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Posted by: @doctorjest
Posted by: @toddjones

Is there a count of how many entries were submitted for Q1?

This may be the accountant in me that loves statistics, but it would be nice to have a breakdown.

  • 3 winners
  • 5 finalists
  • 10 semi-finalists
  • 128 SHMs
  • 283 HMs
  • and ?

Sorry if I missed this.

We can't really be certain, as the Contest doesn't share submission figures (few markets do, really, so they're not any exception there), and with the change in judging and no knowledge of any internal guidance or rules, we can't necessarily judge the percentages for the last Quarter that made HM and above based on our guesses and inferences (historically, though, I believe HM and above was somewhere between five and fifteen percent of entries, depending on the specific quarter--so if your inner statistician wants to play with those numbers, have at it).

What we are certain of, though, is that the Contest receives thousands of submissions every Quarter.

My inner nerd says HM's and above represent roughly @ 10.175893486% of all entries in the quarter. So if we take the numbers above, that gives us 4,290 entries in the quarter. Roughly. I may be off by a few decimals. I'm not really a mathologist or anything, or a numberosopher, or a numeralistician. I'm only good with words, obviously.

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SFx1
HMx1
Rx4

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Posted : June 1, 2022 10:04 am
storysinger
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Mathologist,  numberosopher,  numeralistitian.  Wait a minute, I think you made those words up. Websters might be contacting you in the future about these additions to the English language.

Today's science fiction is tomorrow's reality-D.R.Sweeney
HM-V32/Q3
HM-V36/Q4
HM-V38/Q1
HM-V38/Q4

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Posted : June 1, 2022 11:04 am
Todd Jones
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@morgan-broadhead   laughing Going to the 9th decimal place is a great rough guess.  laughing

I was estimating from some post I read from a couple years ago that HMs were roughly in the top 10%.

We could then surmise that SHMs would be roughly in top 4%.

  

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right."~ Henry Ford

2021 - Q4 - V38 - HM
2022 - Q1 - V39 - SHM
2022 - Q2 - V39 - Submitted
2022 - Q3 - V39 - Editing
2022 - Q4 - V39 - Weaving Tale

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Posted : June 1, 2022 11:28 am
Morgan
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@toddjones 

I have it on good source that the actual number of entries for the quarter was @ 4,074. This means SHM's comprise the top 3.1419% — a number that is suspiciously close to pie. A coincidence? I think not. Anyone who finishes in the top 10% deserves a heaping slice of pie, which is what Joni used to mail us along with our certificates, you know, back in the day. Life was better back then.

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SFx1
HMx1
Rx4

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Posted : June 1, 2022 1:05 pm
Morgan
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@storysinger 

"Mathologist" would fit nicely just before "Muggle".

"Writers WRITE. And they finish what they start."
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SFx1
HMx1
Rx4

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Posted : June 1, 2022 1:06 pm
Joni Labaqui
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@toddjones Hi Todd - we don't give out the numbers, we did in the first few years of the contest but it started to intimindate some writers so we've made a rule not to give out the full numbers.  - Joni 

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Posted : June 1, 2022 6:29 pm
Joni Labaqui
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@toddjones Very roughly, yes.

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Posted : June 1, 2022 6:50 pm
Joe Benet
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Posted by: @chuckt

I got an email but it seems to be giving me every reason for rejection, 

Is that a glitch or is it really possible to have all these reasons?

What's funny is this story was previously an SHM

Ctrl-z, perhaps? Smile

But seriously, don't start sentences with conjunctions too often. Plus, the "with comments" is a cut-and-paste of all possible issues, yes. Up to the author to examine their story and figure out which area(s) need work.

6xHM: Q3'16, Q3'17, Q4'18, Q1'19, Q4'21, Q1'22

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Posted : June 1, 2022 7:11 pm
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roughly @ 10.175893486% 

...is hilarious -like I'm waiting for Harrison Ford to shout at C-3PO

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