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Joel C. Scoberg
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Posted by: @lost_bard

Aaaargh ... and yet YAY! I got my first personal reject today.

"Though several of our staff members enjoyed the story, it did not receive enough votes to make it to the third and final round of voting. We wish you the best of luck finding a home for it and hope you will consider us for future submissions."

Sending this puppy back out!

That's agonisingly close but definitely a strong step forward! It sounds like your story will find its home soon--I'll have my fingers crossed for you and look forward to seeing a post in the "SUCCESS" page for you grinning  

 

 
Posted : October 7, 2021 1:36 pm
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For anyone who ever submitted a story to F&SF under Charlie, I just rediscovered this little gem on his blog from back in the day. In the article, he discusses the meaning behind his three tiers of rejection: 1) Didn't Grab Me, 2) Didn't Work for Me, and 3) Didn't Win Me Over.

I was lucky enough to have six of my submissions fall into #3. Two of those came back with personal notes from Charlie. One submission fell into #1.

Charlie was one of a kind, and I do miss him. Here's the link to the article...

http://www.ccfinlay.com/blog/nectar-for-rejectomancers.html

Enjoy!

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Posted : October 7, 2021 7:34 pm
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Posted by: @morgan-broadhead

For anyone who ever submitted a story to F&SF under Charlie, I just rediscovered this little gem on his blog from back in the day. In the article, he discusses the meaning behind his three tiers of rejection: 1) Didn't Grab Me, 2) Didn't Work for Me, and 3) Didn't Win Me Over.

I was lucky enough to have six of my submissions fall into #3. Two of those came back with personal notes from Charlie. One submission fell into #1.

Charlie was one of a kind, and I do miss him. Here's the link to the article...

http://www.ccfinlay.com/blog/nectar-for-rejectomancers.html

Enjoy!

Oh exciting - all 5 stories I got rejections from him were the win me over template. Saw an interview with the new editor and I think she said something about it being okay to try stories previously rejected by F&SF - anyone else see that? I can't remember for sure which is why I'm wondering if anyone else knows.

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Posted : October 9, 2021 4:08 am
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@czing I didn't see the interview, but I'm sure the new editor has changed her mind on accepting previously rejected stories. Firstly because I asked her, by e-mail, and she answered. And secondly because the updated guidelines clearly state this.

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Posted : October 9, 2021 11:35 am
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That's great @czing!!

I'm gonna go back over my submissions to them and see how I fared.

 

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Posted : October 9, 2021 1:43 pm
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Posted by: @alexvss

@czing I didn't see the interview, but I'm sure the new editor has changed her mind on accepting previously rejected stories. Firstly because I asked her, by e-mail, and she answered. And secondly because the updated guidelines clearly state this.

Thanks - I must have been on crack or something because I rewatched the interview and didn't hear her say that (although I also read the guidelines last night and didn't see it mentioned - UGH sleep deprivation is a thing). Honestly I have to be mixing it up with something else - and YES there it is now, my brain finally unearthed it - one of the big ones has guest editors and it says you can resubmit when there is a different guest editor - now I just have to remember which place that is LOL.

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Posted : October 9, 2021 2:34 pm
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Posted by: @czing
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@czing I didn't see the interview, but I'm sure the new editor has changed her mind on accepting previously rejected stories. Firstly because I asked her, by e-mail, and she answered. And secondly because the updated guidelines clearly state this.

Thanks - I must have been on crack or something because I rewatched the interview and didn't hear her say that (although I also read the guidelines last night and didn't see it mentioned - UGH sleep deprivation is a thing). Honestly I have to be mixing it up with something else - and YES there it is now, my brain finally unearthed it - one of the big ones has guest editors and it says you can resubmit when there is a different guest editor - now I just have to remember which place that is LOL.

That would be Fireside Magazine. grinning  

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Posted : October 13, 2021 6:25 am
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Posted by: @disgruntledpeony

That would be Fireside Magazine.

Posted by: @alexvss

@czing I didn't see the interview, but I'm sure the new editor has changed her mind on accepting previously rejected stories. Firstly because I asked her, by e-mail, and she answered. And secondly because the updated guidelines clearly state this.

You beat me to it (asking if that was it, anyway) because yeah, I just got that rejection, after being "held for consid" -on a POEM, no less)
It seemed really appealing and nice but of course I immediately pinged that piece out to someone else. I'll keep it in the back of my mind, maybe.
TOO BAD, though it's not F&SF. That one the "shiny" venues for me. 
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@ Álex Souza: I don't see it in the guidelines. But if you got it from Ms Thomas...
 

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Posted : October 15, 2021 11:45 am
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I know I should be somewhat happy about this but coming on the heels of other rejections it's rough. From Fireside: "While we really enjoyed the story and it reached the highest level of consideration, we're sorry to tell you that we've decided not to accept it for publication at this time."

It's not exactly a standard rejection but feels like one since no personal feedback. At least it got past slush. 

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Posted : December 9, 2021 5:17 pm
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Posted by: @scribblesatdusk

I know I should be somewhat happy about this but coming on the heels of other rejections it's rough. From Fireside: " While we really enjoyed the story and it reached the highest level of consideration, we're sorry to tell you that we've decided not to accept it for publication at this time."

It's not exactly a standard rejection but feels like one since no personal feedback. At least it got past slush. 

It's funny (not "ha ha" funny, but, you know, funny) how we grow and progress and become accustomed to certain responses and feedback. I can remember my first several handfuls of straight up form rejections. And then that first time I got a personal rejection. I was ecstatic! "Huzzah I'm getting better! They actually noticed me and didn't hate the story! Woot! Won't be long now!"

And then you start getting more and more personal rejections and those "reached the highest level of consideration" notes, and we're like, Uh huh. Yeah. Big freaking deal. Where's my acceptance?

What was once so cool and exciting starts feeling drab and boring, and we wonder if we're getting better at all. And let's be clear, when I say "we" here, I really mean "me." So yeah, I hear you, and I feel you. I feel like the baby in Back to the Future, when Marty bends down in front of the crib and says, "Better get used to these bars, kid."

laughing  

And I laugh only because I don't want to cry. But whaddya gonna do? shrug  

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Posted : December 9, 2021 5:39 pm
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Posted by: @scribblesatdusk

I know I should be somewhat happy about this but coming on the heels of other rejections it's rough. From Fireside: "While we really enjoyed the story and it reached the highest level of consideration, we're sorry to tell you that we've decided not to accept it for publication at this time."

It's not exactly a standard rejection but feels like one since no personal feedback. At least it got past slush. 

That's technically a form, yes--but it's definitely a high tier form, which I'd regard as equivalent to a personal. A fair number of magazines--Podcastle comes to mind, as a random example--send tiered forms like that. I know you wanted the sale, but trust me: If you reached the highest level of consideration, you still did very well! (Looks to me like something more or less equivalent to an SF or F if we were speaking in WotF terms.)  patback buddies  

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Posted : December 9, 2021 8:05 pm
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Posted by: @morgan-broadhead
Posted by: @scribblesatdusk

I know I should be somewhat happy about this but coming on the heels of other rejections it's rough. From Fireside: " While we really enjoyed the story and it reached the highest level of consideration, we're sorry to tell you that we've decided not to accept it for publication at this time."

It's not exactly a standard rejection but feels like one since no personal feedback. At least it got past slush. 

It's funny (not "ha ha" funny, but, you know, funny) how we grow and progress and become accustomed to certain responses and feedback. I can remember my first several handfuls of straight up form rejections. And then that first time I got a personal rejection. I was ecstatic! "Huzzah I'm getting better! They actually noticed me and didn't hate the story! Woot! Won't be long now!"

And then you start getting more and more personal rejections and those "reached the highest level of consideration" notes, and we're like, Uh huh. Yeah. Big freaking deal. Where's my acceptance?

What was once so cool and exciting starts feeling drab and boring, and we wonder if we're getting better at all. And let's be clear, when I say "we" here, I really mean "me." So yeah, I hear you, and I feel you. I feel like the baby in Back to the Future, when Marty bends down in front of the crib and says, "Better get used to these bars, kid."

laughing  

And I laugh only because I don't want to cry. But whaddya gonna do? shrug  

I think that's a fairly common thing for writers (and humans as a whole) as time goes on. We adapt and grow used to what we consider to be 'normal'.

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Posted : December 9, 2021 8:07 pm
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Posted by: @disgruntledpeony

That's technically a form, yes--but it's definitely a high tier form, which I'd regard as equivalent to a personal. A fair number of magazines--Podcastle comes to mind, as a random example--send tiered forms like that. I know you wanted the sale, but trust me: If you reached the highest level of consideration, you still did very well! (Looks to me like something more or less equivalent to an SF or F if we were speaking in WotF terms.)

Hearing it compared like that really made me smile and feel better. Thank you!

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Posted : December 10, 2021 2:07 am
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It's funny (not "ha ha" funny, but, you know, funny) how we grow and progress and become accustomed to certain responses and feedback. I can remember my first several handfuls of straight up form rejections. And then that first time I got a personal rejection. I was ecstatic! "Huzzah I'm getting better! They actually noticed me and didn't hate the story! Woot! Won't be long now!"

And then you start getting more and more personal rejections and those "reached the highest level of consideration" notes, and we're like, Uh huh. Yeah. Big freaking deal. Where's my acceptance?

What was once so cool and exciting starts feeling drab and boring, and we wonder if we're getting better at all. And let's be clear, when I say "we" here, I really mean "me." So yeah, I hear you, and I feel you. I feel like the baby in Back to the Future, when Marty bends down in front of the crib and says, "Better get used to these bars, kid."

laughing  

And I laugh only because I don't want to cry. But whaddya gonna do? shrug  

Ah! To lament we humans have not yet evolved unassisted flight (or some other cool mutation) or to praise our opposable thumbs?

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Posted : December 10, 2021 4:34 am
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Has anyone ever published a story with Clarkesworld? I keep submitting there, and it's usually a flat form rejection within a single day or two.
I appreciate the rapid response times, but I'm like, "Did you even honestly READ my story?!?"

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Posted : January 19, 2022 3:29 pm
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@morgan-broadhead

I'm sure they read at least part of it. They probably have lots of slush readers and/ or skim the beginning to see if it hooks them.

I once didn't get a rejection for 4 days from CW and got very excited but then the form rejection came 🙁 

 

At FFO, totally diff beast but still, we get hundreds of submissions per month. We have slush readers who must read the full story but as I do guideline checks and check over comments, I can usually tell in first 3 sentences (I still read the whole thing) if the story is going to be good or not or a fit for the zine 

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Posted : January 19, 2022 4:51 pm
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Posted by: @morgan-broadhead

Has anyone ever published a story with Clarkesworld? I keep submitting there, and it's usually a flat form rejection within a single day or two.
I appreciate the rapid response times, but I'm like, "Did you even honestly READ my story?!?"

Just so you know there is hope, I know Neil says he doesn’t have time to send anything but form rejections due to the volume of submissions, but I have had two personals from him. Keep sending.

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Posted : January 19, 2022 6:36 pm
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Wait, there is a place where responses are sent back within a week? I’m used to 1.5 to 5 month cycles.

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Posted : January 20, 2022 3:09 am
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Posted by: @craydimensional

Wait, there is a place where responses are sent back within a week? I’m used to 1.5 to 5 month cycles.

I can beat you there, with a 3-year final round submission which ended in a form rejection. Super annoying.

But yeah, Clarkesworld's story turnover is ridiculously quick.

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Posted : January 20, 2022 8:19 am
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Posted by: @morgan-broadhead

Has anyone ever published a story with Clarkesworld? I keep submitting there, and it's usually a flat form rejection within a single day or two.
I appreciate the rapid response times, but I'm like, "Did you even honestly READ my story?!?"

I know how you feel. Just got another single day form rejection. The weirdest part is the duality of it: half of me loves that I get to find out so quick, the other half is very sad I can't live in the delusion of "maybe this is the one!" a little longer.

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Posted : January 20, 2022 10:16 am
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@morgan-broadhead Last night I was thinking that maybe I’d be the one to get into Clarksworld. I was sitting at 18 days, so I went back to my confirmation email so I could click through to check status.

Nope. The reject came SO FAST (36hrs) that I’d thought it was the submission confirmation email and filed it without reading. *sigh*

Keep trying. One of us will get in eventually. 

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Posted : January 20, 2022 12:11 pm
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@craydimensional There are a few of them under the multi-month cycle. Run a search on Submission Grinder and it will show their average response times. So long as a story is a fit to the market, I’ve been picking markets based on price paid, then response time. 

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Posted : January 20, 2022 12:14 pm
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Posted by: @craydimensional

Wait, there is a place where responses are sent back within a week? I’m used to 1.5 to 5 month cycles.

I almost always send to Clarkesworld, F&SF, Apex, and Escape Pod first because the responses are so quick AND they pay pro rates.

This submission to Clarkesworld was my Semi-Finalist for Q4 V 38, so I had hoped for more than just a fast form rejection. Oh well. On to the next market!

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Posted : January 20, 2022 7:20 pm
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@morgan-broadhead I am at HM level not quite ready for pro markets, but I did send to Podcastle. I’m new to submitting.

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Posted : January 20, 2022 10:23 pm
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@craydimensional, don't self-reject! If you're ready to submit to WOTF you're ready for pro markets. Go get some!

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Posted : January 20, 2022 10:54 pm
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@craydimensional I ended up selling my first HM to an anthology in England after very little editing. I started submitting way before I felt I was ready because I realized that there is nothing to lose. More often I get a form rejection (10 hours later from Clarksworld) but occasionally I get a well thought out  message about why the story was rejected--what they liked and didn't like--that has helped me tighten up the story and get it sold elsewhere. 

So, like @ease said, don't self-reject. That's what editors are for Smile and you never know who might love your story.

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Posted : January 20, 2022 11:27 pm
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@morgan-broadhead @craydimensional I've found that how a story does at WotF isn't an indicator of how it will do elsewhere, and vice versa. I've had rough luck selling finalists and semi-finalists, whereas revisions of R's and HMs have gotten me multiple sales. My winning finalist had gotten something like 7 to 10 R's before I sent it to WotF. As such, I'm definitely an advocate for not self-rejecting and instead sending stories as many places as makes reasonable sense. You never know what could happen!

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Posted : January 22, 2022 1:19 am
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Posted by: @morgan-broadhead

Has anyone ever published a story with Clarkesworld? I keep submitting there, and it's usually a flat form rejection within a single day or two.
I appreciate the rapid response times, but I'm like, "Did you even honestly READ my story?!?"

I'm like scribblesatdusk - I had a 5 day one once and was soooooo excited and hopeful because it is one of my better stories - but alas no. Right now I am sitting on one from somewhere else that has been waiting on a reply for just under 200 days and is held for consideration. I have to say I'm going to be absolutely devastated if I get a form rejection on that one.

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Posted : June 13, 2022 4:35 am
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@morgan-broadhead Like other pro-rate markets, Clarkesworld has multiple slush readers to sift through the slush pile. Their slushers are required to read 5 stories a day, so they don't read all the way through. Some 90% of the stories are not passed up to Neil. What happens most of the time is that a slusher stopped midway because he thought that the piece wasn't suitable for the magazine, and slushers don't write personal rejections. There's an editorial from a year ago where Neil explains the reading process.

Oh, and I see that people are impressed with Clarkesworld's and other pro mag's quickness. They do are quick, but they aren't the quickest. That would be a magazine called The Dark; they're famous for 5-minute rejections. I'm not making this up. 

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Posted : June 13, 2022 1:42 pm
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I've subbed to the dark. Agreed - super fast return.

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